How The New Bitcoin Racing Team Got 17 Million People Curious On Bitcoin | Charlie MacKenzie

Live from Bitcoin Beach in El Zonte, El Salvador, we discover how Charlie MacKensie pioneered the integration of Bitcoin and motorsports racing. With their mission to increase Bitcoin interest in motorsports racing, it shows that Bitcoin has already reached different kinds of fields aside from the financial market.

Charlie’s racing team provides a different take on promoting Bitcoin. As their advocacy efforts, they use the racing team itself as the moving billboard to advertise Bitcoin, gaining attention from the motorsports fanbase. More than branding and sponsorship, it’s using the appeal of racing to teach a bigger audience about Bitcoin and its possible impact on the global market and individual financial freedom.

The universal power of sports shows how it can break barriers and make the complex concept of Bitcoin relatable and understandable to more people. Much like the loyal fanbase of motorsports racing, Bitcoin also forms communities with common ground and beliefs. It brings people together for their shared values and goals.

Charlie also shares their family’s Bitcoin journey, from discovering Bitcoin and using it to avoid further financial crises to advocating it in the world of racing. It truly made an impact on their lives. Stories like these serve as a powerful tool to help other people see the potential of Bitcoin.

They also discuss Bitcoin in El Salvador and how the country continues to be a trailblazer in Bitcoin adoption, becoming a real-world proof of how Bitcoin can serve as a tool for economic empowerment and social change. El Salvador’s progress and its growing popularity provide an overview of how Bitcoin adoption can significantly change a nation.


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Charlie MacKensie  
There's these companies that research the thought processes of the fans. And it found that 41% actually inform themselves about who's sponsoring the teams. So it's a common misconception that we hear in the paddock that we're actually sponsored by Bitcoin and people ask us that. So it shows you immediate lack of understanding about how it works and what it is. But, you know, 17 million people 41% of them will, according to that research inform themselves about what's going on. And plus, I think we're a unique team, very different. They're gonna, they're gonna see there's Bitcoin on that car, and that's going to get the clock's turning. So I think we'll probably be around 50 to 60% of increasing people's interest.

Mike Peterson  
Charlie, we got you back here in El Salvador. I'm curious to find out today how Bitcoin and racing come together. But I have an idea for I want to do until before I forget it. So you need to get one of those spectacular video clips of when your brother crashes the Bitcoin car and send it to all the news agencies and every time bitcoins crashing they can say and bitcoins crashing today and show a picture of that. I think get you guys out there.

Charlie MacKensie  
Marketing genius. Well, it's actually our fourth time back here. You know, my we came the first time and my family just fell in love with El Salvador and my mom has the itch to get a property here and she just wants to be on the beach, the rest of her life like you. And yeah, it just feels just like there's so much progress happening. It feels safe. And people don't still don't really realize that about the country and they don't even know where is. And we we have people ask us that a lot because we have seen flags on the car and the truck and we just always try and say nice things about it. And it's easy because it's true. And it's my future plans come and retire here. And to be honest, I want to come now.

Mike Peterson  
But your little young still the thing now.

Charlie MacKensie  
Hoping bitcoin does some good stuff. We can we can push forwards 20 years.

Mike Peterson  
How did El Salvador come on your guy's radar? Was it because of the Bitcoin law? Or was that you even didn't even know where El Salvador was before that?

Charlie MacKensie  
No, it's Iiterally because of the Bitcoin law. And so we discovered Bitcoin in March 2020. And it was slightly before they made Bitcoin legal tender. And we had around a year of learning, discovering all these things about finance and economics that no one had ever taught my family before. And then and we thought, blimey, this is some serious stuff, like it's going to make the world a better place we need we've got that age to promote it, and help people learn. And as I mentioned, you came to my talk, they are adopting Bitcoin very kindly. I mentioned that we have a strong feeling to help other families discover Bitcoin, because we got hurt by the financial crisis and things so that's why it's important to us. But shortly during that time, we then realize, okay, we've got the itch to start promoting Bitcoin, but how can we do it? And we just had a small hobbyists race team.

Mike Peterson  
So we're already in racing. And how long has your family been under racing?

Charlie MacKensie  
Oh blimey, my dad has been doing, my dad's now 72. And he's been going for like 50, 40, 50 years.

Mike Peterson  
Okay, so was he driving before?

Charlie MacKensie  
He has been a racing driver before. He's kind of losing the age now because of the age even I can beat him.

Mike Peterson  
We better not let him listen to this podcast.

Charlie MacKensie  
Oh, definitely not about that. He's done. I was telling him the producer. He's done like, touring car racing, DTM racing, hot rods and even banger racing, you know, when the money's running. 

Charlie MacKensie  
Well, what's banger racing?

Charlie MacKensie  
He also asked that. It's like demolition derby where you drive around and there's no rules exactly. Yeah, so maybe there should be some bitcoin cars there.

Mike Peterson  
I don't know if they have it within UK but here they have the demolition with motor homes. Have you seen that?

Charlie MacKensie  
Um, they, you know, going over the huge ramps. 

Mike Peterson  
Yeah, but they do the ones where they smashed into each other to with motorhomes. That was so very funny.

Charlie MacKensie  
We have that too. I think it's a great thing because if you're if you are a racing driver and you love the sport, you know, maybe you're a bit down on money at some point you can get into banger racing. And it's nice and cheap.

Charlie MacKensie  
It's probably while you're young is better. Looks like take a little bit of a beating on your body too on that. 

Charlie MacKensie  
To be fair he, for 72 he looks real good facade.

Mike Peterson  
He's 72? I'm gonna guess like early 60's.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly, so I feel like hopefully when I'm getting a bit older, I'll look as good as him.

Mike Peterson  
So your brother's the driver now? Correct? And so how did that transition happen? And have you driven at all or?

Charlie MacKensie  
Good question. So, I took the boring route of going to university, and I was kind of getting pulled into the Fit worlds and thinking get as far as you can with academics, and I'll be able to win loads of money and get my car on finance and get mortgage. But my brother decided not to. So that meant he had the free time to go racing. So this four years I was studying, he was racing every year, my dad just for fun. In the championship called the City Car Car, which we've spoken about a bit. And just a nice cheap entry level championship where you can enjoy your favorite sport, but not have to break the bank. So that's kind of what they were doing. 

Charlie MacKensie  
But I did race in the first year. I think I did six out of eight rounds. And I ended up finishing 13th in the out 30. But he's a real superstar. And you know, we want to build up get to high levels. So there's actually audiences and TV time. And obviously, you need a good driver, because you want the car on camera. And he's really getting to our stage where he's ready to move up and do us proud, do the bitcoin is proud. And I'm very proud of him because it really is like, when someone has a real good skill, like being able to play the piano amazingly, or being good surfers. You just feel like wow, you're impressive. And he's getting there.

Mike Peterson  
So you started getting into Bitcoin, coming out of looking at through the lens of what happened, your guy's family coming out of the financial crisis? How did the Bitcoin in the racing come together? And then where did El Salvador come in all that?

Charlie MacKensie  
Nice, so well, when it when it got to, like a year after discovering it, and reading all the books, and we found this documentary called The Hidden Secrets of Money, I don't know if you know that one. It's Mike Maloney, it's about golds, that was shilling gold a lot. And it just taught us how the financial system works. And if you put money in the bank to save, you're actually giving the bank permission to print more money or lend it out. And that makes you poorer. And I hated that. Because the idea of me going to work every day nine to five, working my ass off and saving, like sensible person. And then my money being used to make me poorer, I did not like it. And why is no one ever told me this, that really pissed me off. And it still does that I'm sure it pisses you off. 

Charlie MacKensie  
So that was my learning process, learning about all the corruption, how fiat money works. And obviously, as I said, my brother was doing three years of racing while I was studying. And we got the itch to try and help other people learn. And obviously, racing is a great platform for advertising and marketing and positive brand uplift. You know, being associated with motorsports, if you think of Red Bull, your mind goes straight to the Formula One Circuit, or a hangover from a Jager Bomb. So, you know, it's just through like with DHL, there was a good example, like, if DHL is good enough to go on a Formula One Car, then they're good enough to deliver my parcels for my business, you know, I trust them. If Rayburn is cool enough to go on a Ferrari, then they're cool enough to go on my face. 

Charlie MacKensie  
So that's like the psychological way racing works. And we realize that we've got this small team, Bitcoin needs to reach more people. And that's our unique way that we can do it. And then the link with El Salvador. So our first race was in April 2021. And they had made the law a few months before that, right. And we just thought, we need to link these two things up. We've got Bitcoin and the Bitcoin country. And it was my mom's idea. It really was my mom's side. And she said, let's go let's go to the embassy with a car on the trailer and put the flag on the roof and ask them if they like it. But driving through London, Mayfair, we're like no, we can't do that. But we had a Spanish speaking guy on the team and he called them up and they loved it, like they just thought, why do you want to help us? Why do you want to? Why do you want to promote my country? And they were so thankful, which like, as we'll see in a minute, the small cars like they're not impressive. They're not Ferraris and Porsches. They're just a small family team. But the country was so excited and so grateful to have that offer.

Mike Peterson  
Well, you probably orange pill, the ambassador, because they were probably, you know, never gotten any interest like that. And all of a sudden, the country adopts Bitcoin and they have racing teams contacting saying like, hey, we want to fly your flag.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah. And then after that, few months, she asked the, I think, the presidential office for permission. And then we were invited here on an official visit. So they showed us around. We met some ministers Minister of Tourism, the Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs, so that was crazy. And they were all just so excited and grateful about it. And we've, like, it's weird to have that reception. Like we thought we were getting the privilege of having their flag on. But they thought they were getting privileged.

Mike Peterson  
For symbiotic relation, promoting each other.

Charlie MacKensie  
Well, that's one of the see ones there. It's a bit beaten up because Silverstone was our last race of the season. And the race prior to that one, that car got absolutely melted. And it was actually our other driver in the team. He went into the side of him. So that's why it looks like a crisp packet.

Mike Peterson  
So your two cars crashed into each other?

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, we had some friendly fire. Which didn't look great on the cameras on the YouTube. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of incidents you can see.

Mike Peterson  
Yeah, but all those cars out near to crash into a 10 euro.

Charlie MacKensie  
Euro fighting for the same piece of tarmac, literally 30 cars, same speed. And I like this picture, because it's Bitcoin at the front. All the shit coins are lagging behind. I call them the Fiat cards.

Mike Peterson  
And you are explaining to me that these cars have pretty small engine. So it's all about keeping your minimum through the turns and who has the brass balls to just keep the pedal down.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, so they are like 60 horsepower. If you're lucky. And oh, cool. We've got this video. 

Mike Peterson  
So this video, is the one with the sound?

Charlie MacKensie  
So this one's at Silverstone Circuit.

Mike Peterson  
And where is that in London? Or where's that up?

Charlie MacKensie  
In town Chester. It's a Formula One circuit. So it's world famous racing track. And before Silsden, we had Brands Hatch as the most famous one racing car.

Mike Peterson  
Sort of people like ask, why do we have a Salvadoran flag?

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, a lot. It's a good signal. Because obviously, like I mentioned, that's a small championship and there's not as many fans as we'd like them to be. But, you know, we do have discussions with people and they're like, what's the link there? Why is there a country on your car? Like, that's not really seen in racing? It's another thing like that's not a common thing. Are you sponsored by the country? Like, where is it? And we just tell them, like all the amazing things that are going on and how it's this small Central American country that's beautiful. The people are friendly and Bitcoin is a legal currency and that's when the like, oh, that's the link.

Mike Peterson  
I remember when you guys made that announcement and you have the Bitcoin in your car, but I think you had some, like llama NFT thing and I messaged you guys, I'm like, you gotta get out of the NFT thing. And then somebody messaged me they're like, all right, we're Bitcoin only. Yeah, like okay, we gotta make sure the Bitcoin community gets behind.

Charlie MacKensie  
So you know, like we were like maybe less than a year or just coming up to our first year. So obviously we needed to do the checkpointing. And now like, you know, our Etherium just you say it and I hate it makes my skin crawl. So, you'll be pleased to know I sold all that. I like to say like, you can invest in the other options, the other coins or whatever else there is, but everytime I put a pound of my money that's I say that's like one vote to a better world. And if I put it somewhere else, then I'm not contributing to the well being better and more fair. And you know, separating money from state. And that's why my energy and my money, I want it to be there only.

Mike Peterson  
Yeah, that's why for me my only have interest in Bitcoin. But I actually think there's  possibility that some of these other things will have some type of utility, but that's more tech world. For me, I'm more interested in the monetary side of things and really Bitcoins, the only one, that's that's going to be money. And so I think they're really two separate worlds, it's only the press that equates them together, they're very different.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly. So when I mentioned I was going down the Fiat world, like, I, I kind of housing airport in Hong Kong, and this guy sat next to me and said, guard goes far through academia as you can, and you'll get a high paying job. And at that point, like with social media, I thought it was important to like, display wealth. So that's why I wanted to get a car and finance. I wanted to have the designer clothes, I wanted to get my mortgage. And then, and I actually went really high up the ladder, I have a master philosophy, which is second highest degree possible. And it's from Cambridge uni. And I like, in the real world, people like, wow, that's so cool. Like, you should be so proud. But I don't find it impressive after all. Like, because I was wasting my time focusing on that when I could have just been, you know, working at Domino's Pizza and buying as much Bitcoin as possible.

Mike Peterson  
But do you think you're wasting your time? I mean, I'm, I mean, I know a lot of people in the Bitcoin space are against higher education, I actually think it is of huge value just for personal development side, you can always make money in life. But I think when you're young, to be able to be thinking about deep ideas and be challenged and stretch yourself and find where your strengths are. I don't think there's anything wrong with spending time in school, it might not make you the might make more money just buying and huddling but I think, you know, life's more than than just how much Bitcoin you acute can accumulate.

Charlie MacKensie  
That's very true.

Mike Peterson  
I'm sure that will come in. I'm sure your degree will help throughout life.

Charlie MacKensie  
I think it will, yes, it's a nice unique one. And I'm actually dyslexic. So I found a course that I liked, which is biology, and my master's in genetics.

Mike Peterson  
So your, I'm sorry, so your master's in Genetics or Philosophy?

Charlie MacKensie  
So you have a doctorate philosophy, which is a highest possible. Second highest is master of philosohy.

Mike Peterson  
But it's in a different subjects? Okay. So that must be how they do it in the British system. I was confused there.

Charlie MacKensie  
Oh okay, yeah, it might be different actually. So I was focusing in on science and then we had we won't go into it, but all the craziness with me realizing that the pharmaceutical industry is more about profits than helping people and I didn't really like that. And I had discovered Bitcoin, near the start of the masters and I was like, okay, I'm focusing on science and now I'm discovering Bitcoin, I want to go that route. So the number of times I said to my mom, I want to drop out this is too much. I don't like this. She's like, no, you bloody well finish it. So yeah, I think it was nice to find Bitcoin at that point, because it stopped me from going down the fee at lifestyle, the rat race kind of route. And I probably will have to get some, you know, do some proper jobs one day, but at the moment, I'm trying to build this race team up and, and it just feels like the right thing to do because we have a higher mission. Yeah. And I think bitcoins made me more humbles person has given me more confidence. I used to be really shy, as you know, like, I didn't not want to go on that stage.

Mike Peterson  
You did a fantastic job. You have a good stage presence.

Charlie MacKensie  
Thank you know, I mean, that's what bitcoins done, I've met so many amazing people done podcasts, none as cool as this one. And just spoken to people who are very intelligent people and really high places, even the vice president of this country and it's done a lot of good stuff for my personal development and more so than university did in my opinion. So that's where the kind of confusion lies I guess.

Mike Peterson  
So I'm trying to remember timeline did you guys start Bitcoin racing before Peter McCormick started his football team?

Mike Peterson  
Was at around the same time or?

Charlie MacKensie  
Was even the same time or slightly before.

Mike Peterson  
So have you been watching his, I mean, he is a marketing master. He shown what Bitcoin can do when you bring it into sport. Obviously, he has a very powerful platform that he can use to promote it. But I think he's really shown how you can bring those two things together in a way that's good for both the sporting, you know, event or sport that is that you're involved in but also for Bitcoin.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly. No, he's an inspiration to us, I would say.

Mike Peterson  
And a fellow Brit, so.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly.  We really need to make friends with him. I think he would be a really good advisor on the team or someone just get involved.

Mike Peterson  
You see the shop with the match with the race cars and just you know, do doughnuts in the parking lot that you get as a 10.

Charlie MacKensie  
No, he's very good like you're telling me Max Keiser, they know how to do the markets. They understand the Bitcoin universe. And then, they also, you know, they know how to service partners.

Mike Peterson  
They know how to bring value to people.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, for us coming out of genetics. And going into racing, I thought it was gonna be easy. I didn't realize that it's actually like running a business and a marketing service. So we, you know, anytime someone sponsors a team, or a podcast or a football team, it's because they want to make a return. And that I wasn't thinking with that at the forefront. I thought, you know, they just think it's cool, because there's a race car. I've had to learn so many new things. And now I feel the team is finally ready. Because it is just a family team, you know, with my mom and dad and my brother. And my dad's a lawyer, so that's no help. And my mom used to run businesses actually.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, I mean, his wallet. His bitcoin wallet, I was, I tried to say at the conference, I got my words wrong. But let's take two minutes silence for it. But yeah, it's really amazing to have a dad who's a pure bitcoiner supporting us and giving me this opportunity to focus here instead of the Fiat world.

Mike Peterson  
So you and your brother doing this full time?

Charlie MacKensie  
He works in London. I'd like to pull him out, racing full time. But yeah, that's why I would say, we've had to take this two years to find our feet. You know, and we started off badly. As you mentioned, we won't say anything about llamas anymore.

Mike Peterson  
Everybody has to go through their, their crypto face.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly. And yeah, but now we've got, I have an Accounts Manager, I have someone on the marketing team, it counts manager's job is to communicate with anyone who wants to work with us to make sure we're doing creative, you know, giveaways promotional stuff, and to make sure that they're getting value. And if there's anything they think is not working, there always be someone to communicate with. So we can, and it's a long term partnership through racing this whole championship. 

Charlie MacKensie  
So we now have someone in place who's going to look after them, and make sure everything they want is being delivered, all the promises are being kept. And that we can go above and beyond as well, because we want to make sure that anyone who does put their faith in us just a small family team that we we really give them a good show and make them a return. Because we want the long term friendships and partnerships as well. So I'm having a marketing person help us now. That's obviously extremely helpful so we can get further reach a project manager. 

Charlie MacKensie  
And, you know, we're trying to work on other projects as well to make us more self sufficient. And one of those is the Arrive and Drive Service. So the way so Bitcoiners can just come and race with us. If they want to race, no experience required. He'll teach you to avoid the trophy. And we have three complete newbies. One was a bitcoin miner called Jason. One is a Bitcoin developer from Zebedee called Prim. And Lewis is the founder of a company called Card Market so and they're all Bitcoin Maxis proper into it. And they just reached out to us and said, I think I want to race with you guys. I want to have some fun. So they did an entire season.

Mike Peterson  
So what is that today actually is that to get to race in the races or just in the practice rounds? Or how does that?

Charlie MacKensie  
They race the proper full championship so they did 20 races total. They pay some money to hire the cars from us, pay their entry fees and things so we make a bit and that goes into more racing. And they get to have loads of fun and when you put the helmet on and the lights go green, you forget everything. He's probably like when you get on the ocean and you're surfing you, it's just such a cool way to relax. And I've even gone out with like bad headaches, gone on to the go kart track, and then it's gone. You come back refreshed, and it's just a great way to unwind. And I really liked that for them because they're hard working guys.

Charlie MacKensie  
So what, what if there's other people out there listening that want to do that? What's the cost? And what's the time commitment to do that?

Charlie MacKensie  
So we have, there'll be seven weekends through the year.

Mike Peterson  
All in somewhere in Britain?

Charlie MacKensie  
Yes. All throughout the UK. See UK championship in the City Cup. And it costs around it depends if you have many crushes. Our boys were pretty good. I think we had to rebuild just one car. That's actually a bad story. I'll tell you that in a second. But it can cost between 15 and 20,000. But you do you just have a bit more season, whole season and you just turn up and race. That's it.

Mike Peterson  
Not that other work part. You just get into the fun part.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly, my dad does the mechanic stuff. So you don't have to do any of the horse. You don't have to get your hands dirty. You just do what you do best, which is race and just have fun. And you know, it's really nice as well. We stay at the hotels together. We have nice meals. We make amazing friendships.

Mike Peterson  
I think to get Peter McCormick out with one of his car. All right, Peter. Show you can do with football. Let's get you out with one of your car.

Charlie MacKensie  
With that input he can have a whole car with rail bed fold logo. And he's saying, we're getting one of them but big football logo on the front.

Mike Peterson  
All right, we'll call him when we released this episode.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah. So the crash when we had to completely rebuild, rebuild a new car was Louis went out in his car. And his engine blew up somehow. And he paid for a test day. So you can it's like a free pick. You go out, practice all day long if you want. And I think that happened quite early on in the day. And he was like, Oh, my car's blown up. I want to I still want to use my day, though. But Jason wasn't there. So his car was available. On his first lap using Jason's car, he hit a sausage curb and rolled it away. A sausage curb. It's like these massive curbs. I don't know why they put them there. They're so dangerous, but it's to like, make people make sure they stay on the track. If you hit it, you know, it's gonna damage your car. And he rolled and just rolled out the car. Yeah. So that was not good.

Mike Peterson  
But he was okay?

Charlie MacKensie  
He was fine. Yeah, luckily, they're very safe. I mean, if you've got a big metal roll cage. They're quite slow cars. feels quick when you're rolling.

Mike Peterson  
Yeah. So with a car with an engine that size does it like is better to have a driver that doesn't weigh very much like is that is that those things make a difference.

Charlie MacKensie  
So you have weight boxes with LED. So if you're really thin, oh, they've got more and so they balance it all out. So there's no it's really a question of driver skill. You know, you can do small things to the engine, but it's all regulated. They want everyone to have the same machinery, but it's just those drivers go. How would you think you'd get on?

Mike Peterson  
I, you know what, if it wasn't such a long flight over there. I'd be tempted.

Charlie MacKensie  
Have you ever raced before?

Mike Peterson  
I haven't, but I do like driving fast.

Charlie MacKensie  
And I mean, you've got the cool track here.

Mike Peterson  
Well, I know I haven't been out there yet. I want to get out there and try out.

Charlie MacKensie  
I really want to take you next time we come down.

Mike Peterson  
So when you, have you run the track here? 

Charlie MacKensie  
We have. My dad did. 

Mike Peterson  
And what type of vehicle? I'm assuming you didn't ship something over.

Charlie MacKensie  
That was suggested by people but it's just going to be it would be crazy money to do that, sadly. But I was telling you before that people bring over these insane race cars like, Audi R8, Porsche 911, Ferraris, us thinking blimey, I thought El Salvador was not very well country. And that when you go to that track, you just see all these insane racecars. 

Mike Peterson  
So what did your dad run? 

Charlie MacKensie  
He drove this Volkswagen really souped up like 250 horsepower GTI I think that's what it was. I'm not actually the car guy. It's like, I'm the kind of operations behind the team. Anything about guys but it was a cool car and he managed to come third in an endurance race. 

Mike Peterson  
Okay, so it was actual race?

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, in blistering heat as well, which we're not used to in the UK.

Mike Peterson  
Yeah, and I'm guessing those cars don't have any air conditioning or something like that.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah. You come out that you've been absolutely drenched? But now, it's been a really fun journey. And we feel that, you know, as a team, we want to stay bitcoin only. And in Formula One, for example, there's lots of confusion there. And the companies put their brands first, when they're in Formula One, you know, they're not, if they are, like, you know, crypto.com, or Kraken, they're promoting themselves, and not the important thing, which is Bitcoin. And when people get drawn into Kraken, or crypto.com, they see everything and they haven't had the education first. And that makes for a confusing first interaction. 

Charlie MacKensie  
So for us just having Bitcoin only and allowing people to come and speak to us, and to guide them down the right path, without any conflicting messages, we think is important. And really, in racing, it's just about the money, the money talks. And if someone's got 100 mil, for formula, one thing, they're going to take it no matter who you are, or no matter what you want them to say, they just want the money. And like in one of our high leagues, there was this response called Saffy in the British Touring Car Championship. And they said, you can get 1,000% return on your crypto on Saffi. So you know, we want to present the pure message to these poor people, they must be confused. So that's really the mission.

Mike Peterson  
And well, that's one of the challenges is there's a lot more money in crypto than there is in Bitcoin, because in crypto, they're just printing tokens, and then they exchanges they, they don't, they're not financially incentivized to just keep people in Bitcoin, because they know if they start getting into all the other crap, they're gonna trade in and out and the fees that they're just buying and huddling, they don't make much off of them. And so that's unfortunately, even a lot of the companies that started off as Bitcoiners. So they get sucked into the other because that's where the money says. So I really admire the fact that you guys have decided to make this a Bitcoin racing team, because it's, it's gonna be much less lucrative, you could have done the whole crypto thing and gotten a lot higher dollar sponsors, but you guys have kind of stayed the core. And I think in the long term, you'll have stay in power because of that.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, it's, I think it's part of that mindset change where you, you have the longtime preference, as somebody and for us, like, I always say, with my dad, like if this whole thing fails, or if we can't afford to do it anymore, if we're be still happy that we did it, because we believe in Bitcoin so much that we know that we're providing value. Some of it you can't measure, like the brand awareness, the interactions, the touch points. Like I can't tell you how many people have seen the car and decided to learn about it. But I know they have, because that's kind of how it works in racing. And you know, even if it all went wrong, and we completely failed, we'd still be happy because we're we have had some people come into Bitcoin because of us. You sent some people Bitcoin.

Mike Peterson  
And people got to know what's happening in El Salvador. You got to meet, you know, a lot of cool salvadoran that are excited about what you guys are doing.

Charlie MacKensie  
And well, we've just been led nicely into next year's plans. And yeah, I mentioned in the speech that we had just acquired this very nice car. So obviously, we're gonna go.

Mike Peterson  
So you start. So explain to me and everyone else how, how this works. I'm sure you start in like the starter series and you work your way up, or is that?

Charlie MacKensie  
Well, it's, it depends how much money, okay, because you could go into, you know, he could go straight into a very high League, and just, you know, get thrown into the deep end and just learn. And in the Touring Car Championship, there's a 17 year old kid, I think his name's Daryl De Leon. And he just either he's very good at acquiring sponsors, or he has a very wealthy dad, because to be in that championship, you need like a million pounds. And he's obviously right in the back of the grid. But he's improving each race. I was like, blimey, he's actually moving out of school. So there's not like a hierarchy, you have to take like the football leagues. It's more how much money have you got? How many how much balls have you got? And then which one can you go into, but it would obviously be sensible to probably start with go karting. Then go into a junior league, so up to 16, you're 16 years old, like Ford Fiesta juniors. There's currently even we haven't done any of the junior leagues. My brother did the Fiesta juniors so he went there. And then after that you can go into kind of whatever part.

Mike Peterson  
So does it covered the city near next set of city car city?

Charlie MacKensie  
The City Car Cup was is a championship for adults so you can move there but actually that I think the city cup is actually probably the slowest form of racing cars you can get. So, you know, it really does just depend on the finances and how much money you've got.

Mike Peterson  
So you guys are moving into a different league? Which one is that?

Charlie MacKensie  
So we're moving into the mini challenge. And we have a picture of a car we just got, which is coming up that card. That's yeah.

Mike Peterson  
So everybody raises many isn't that one?

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly. So they're all front wheel drive, which is a good transition for Chris because the sections have front wheel drive. But they have 300 horsepower instead of 80, or 60. That's sequential gearboxes, they are proper race cars. They can cost anywhere between like 35 to 50,000. So they're quite, you know, they're made specifically for racing. And this championship has such big numbers, because it's a support race to our premier series, which is called the British Touring Car Championship. So what that means is, when the Touring Cars are not on the track, the time is filled by the mini challenge, or the Porsche Carrera cup, or the British Formula for championships. So that's how support prices work, but it means they get the camera time, it means the fans are there still. And the reason we chose this one is because it's the cheapest series within the British Touring Car Championship we can go to, so that I think, brings good value for money. Because the Touring Car Guys are spending a million pounds, sometimes more, a minimum of 500. Whereas this will cost around 75 but we get the same audience numbers. So it's crazy, so big. And actually, this is one of the most popular support series because, as I mentioned, on stage, they're always having crashes. And people love the chaos. And now they're very close, they have really tight racing, lots of touching. And it's just the coolest, I'll send you a link to a live race. And you can just see how like invested you get in just the craziness.

Mike Peterson  
So is it considered bad form if you bumped somebody? Or is that kind of normal life? Just being competitive?

Charlie MacKensie  
Well, this one, this is a particularly aggressive championship because these guys are trying to get noticed to go into the Touring Car Championship. So the premier UK series and so they're aggressive. They take no prisoners, you know, if there's this new orange Bitcoin car, and this guy's had a few years doing very well, he's not going to want new passing. So we may see Chris in the barrier a few times, you know, then we can do that marketing idea.

Mike Peterson  
Bitcoin crashed. So you guys have have a mini now?

Charlie MacKensie  
We do, this car. So the guy who formally raised this one, he actually did put our logo on the front fenders, you can see there. And he sold it to us for 15,000 pound less than it cost him. And cuz he was doing us a favor. So she very wealthy guy. And he's also allowing us to pay it monthly. So you know, it's still the small family team. But we want Bitcoin in that championship in a big way. And we want to help my brother achieve his dreams. So it's, like I said, it's worth it to us. But the running costs, that's where we're working hard now, just so we can keep it on the track for the whole series. And to us, we don't care about the profit, we just want to have the car running smoothly. And, you know, if he has a little bump, can we afford to change the bumper? Or if he needs a new set of tires? Can we do that? That's, that's all we want. When we're not, you know, we just want the message to be out there. 

Charlie MacKensie  
And if we move back one, we've got these numbers here. So it actually this is from 2022 and 2023. They recorded over 60 million television viewers. And it's on a primetime channel. So ITV 70 hours of TV coverage. And they also got more spectators. So they have 400,000 turning up throughout the year. So each race we can, you're getting over 40,000 people turning up. And these are all normies and they're the people we want to reach, right?

Mike Peterson  
Definitely. Is there a chance to interact with the fans?

Charlie MacKensie  
Oh yeah, you can run around the paddock, they can get signatures, they can take pictures with Chris, they can have a seat in the car, and then we encourage that and being a small family team, I think it makes you a bit more approachable to. And, yeah, so it's going to be Boston.

Mike Peterson  
If somebody was sponsoring the team as their potential like to have, you know, photographs of the car that people are signing that also has their logo on it, yeah, sorts of things. I mean, lots of different ways the sponsors could tie in?

Charlie MacKensie  
Absolutely. I mean, the creativity you can is boundless for racing, you can just come up with crazy ideas, and it always works in the racing world. And, you know, I think, because we're trying to appeal to normies, then the companies may be worried, like, how many of these people are actually interested in Bitcoin. And we actually, this is our little media kit here. And I think it was Gemini, but they estimated how many people in the UK own cryptocurrency or Bitcoin, obviously, they did the whole thing. 

Charlie MacKensie  
And if you extrapolate that percentage to the audience here, it would still be around 2.8 million people who would actually have an interest in Bitcoin and the wider space. So that's only a statistic we found recently. So I haven't been able to say actually, there's going to be Bitcoiners and crypto enthusiasts in the grid, around the paddock watching on TV, who are going to be interested in your brand. But now we've learned that there is, and there's an opportunity. And we'd also like to work with people who want to help us with the education side, too. So let's bring in new people and help them learn. And I've been speaking to the me primo Bitcoin guys, about getting some education stuff put together for fans for us to hand out. 

Charlie MacKensie  
There's a really cool company called Get Wiser, who has been on my radar for a while, hopefully, they're watching. But you know, they make it cool and fun, and you really win rewards for learning. And we want to amplify that. So for companies, it's going to be 2.8 million people who are probably going to be interested. But we can also bring more of them on site as well. And we need partners to help us with that mission. And I think Bitcoin companies should be interested in doing that, because it shows that they're supporting the growth and development and the awareness of Bitcoin and surely other Bitcoiners will think you guys are doing a good thing, this is really cool. You're helping spread Bitcoin awareness. And that will improve their view of them as well.

Mike Peterson  
I think you guys have a unique story, too. It's easy to get lost. And you know, if it's just a car that you're sponsoring, I mean, there's all kinds of different sponsorship opportunities, but just the the family story, the fact that you guys like came along with what's happening in El Salvador before it was even cool to do that. You guys were very early on that. And so I think that's what you guys offer to Bitcoin companies is to be part of that kind of genuine story of like, the integrity and the values that Bitcoin brings. So yeah, hopefully I know, right now, a lot of a lot of companies in the Bitcoin space are kind of just white knuckling it trying to get through to the next Bull Run. But we're, you know, we're starting to see the first ramp up of that. And so I think we'll see companies start to loosen their purse strings, they'll be raising more funds. And hopefully, they'll get behind what you guys are doing here, because I think it's important, like you said, to have something that's out there in the mainstream, that's getting Bitcoin in front of people to have, you know, personal story that you guys can tell me from your own perspective on how Bitcoin has impacted your family. These are exactly the things that we need.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, and I think in the, in the talk I gave, I did mention, bike. There's these companies that research, the thought processes of the fans. And it found that 41% actually inform themselves about who's sponsoring the teams. So it's a common misconception that we hear in the paddock that we're actually sponsored by Bitcoin and people ask us that. So it shows you immediate lack of understanding about how it works and what it is. But, you know, 17 million people 41% of them will, according to that research, inform themselves about what's going on. And plus, I think we're a unique team, very different. They're gonna, they're gonna see there's Bitcoin on that car, and that's going to get the clock's turning. 

Charlie MacKensie  
So I think we'll probably be around 50 to 60% of increasing people's interest. And another thing in the paddocks as well, even in the low series, we've done meetups and one time we had 221 people come Silverstone. That's crazy. That was like the biggest meetup in the UK before Peter McCormack came out. I'm, and they see like there's this tiny team with Bitcoin on the car. But they've got all this interest. And there's 221 People who don't think Bitcoin is weird, who follow the Bitcoin team, and who are like passionate fans running for me, the side of the Silverstone winked, watch the cars, they all come and have orange balloons, their Bitcoin shirts. There's a really cool picture on our Twitter when we had our season finale at Silverstone. And this guy called Chris gave everyone an orange balloon, and there's literally like 50 flatting around. 

Charlie MacKensie  
So you know, that makes people think, oh, this is actually something normal people are interested in it, maybe I've heard something on the media, that might not be true. Maybe, you know, they're telling me, it's killing the environment. People think it's this just stupid thing. But now I'm seeing as 200 people you like it. And that's not something they would have seen before. So, you know, that also applies for partners as well, if 41% are looking into bitcoin Beach, because you're gonna be on the car, we forgot to mention that. On the headlights, there's a nice spot, actually, that's a great sport you went for. 

Charlie MacKensie  
And there's other things about choosing brands, you're more aware of over competitors. And I mentioned that like, when they are on crypto.com. and they see Bitcoin, they're more familiar with it, that will be the one they go for. And, remembering brands as well, it stays in your mind longer, it makes a good first touch point. And then later on, they're going to have one more touch point, maybe somewhere and that will be when they get started. 

Charlie MacKensie  
So there's there's lots of psychological ways that might sports the extremely effective in promoting a message of a brand. And the Bitcoin message is the message we want to promote through it. So I really feel passionately that this is going to work well. And we're going to have an impact. And we're ready to work hard to make sure that we're talking to everyone. We're handing them stuff leaflets, we've got, you know.

Mike Peterson  
Now can tell you guys are going to take care of your sponsors. You're passionate about this, you know, you have to offer a service and stuff. I think that the companies that partner with you guys are going to be very happy with the results. We'll make sure that at the end, make sure everybody knows how to connect with you. But I am curious, just to get your thoughts on what's happening here in El Salvador, you said this is your fourth trip. And so I'm curious as to what you've seen over those couple years that you've been coming here. What is you're excited about, what changes you've seen? Do you think bitcoins really having an impact here? I mean, is it you get different impressions from different people? Some people come in, they're disappointed, like I thought that everyone would take Bitcoin and, and other people come in? Wow, it's way more acceptance than I had anticipated. So I'm just curious, I always like to ask people, what their you know, real, real impression is don't don't put any lipstick on it for the for the podcast, but just your real impression of how things are going here.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, that's a cool question. It's. So when we came the first time I was, we stay at the boss seller. And they were the boss seller. And I left the hotel on the streets. And I was really scared. Like, what's gonna happen to me? Someone's going to drive by no, bang, bang. And I was seeing the security guards with their shotguns. And obviously, we're not used to guns in the UK. And then like, nothing happened. So I haven't been shot yet. Because that's what the mainstream media tells you. And actually, when we first went Homeland Security or something, you know, when you can find travel advice. The UK's advice was this is very dangerous and unsafe place to go and go there. Stay away. And then you do take that to heart and people will read that and just will not go and actually, my girlfriend's mom wouldn't let her come with me. And she still hasn't come yet. So maybe her mom's just secretly in the background saying like UK. But then we quickly realized that it's safe. It's beautiful. The people are just unbelievably kind. 

Charlie MacKensie  
And, you know, one thing I did was, I took a picture Heathrow Airport and said, I'm on my way to El Salvador, and suddenly got like 1300 likes and 1000s hundreds of comments from people from El Salvador saying, have a great time. Come meet me for proposers. Let me show you around. And if I just put I'm on my way to Germany, I'd probably got some abuse or any other country that people are just a different level of kindness and the country makes me feel energized. And it moves. It's fast paced, but it doesn't feel like the city or London, where everyone's competing against each other. And it's showing off that counts. It's the family first. And it's just like, the most amazing place and the Bitcoin adoption over time is definitely like the some places I've been to who have stopped taking Bitcoin, which is, was disappointing to see. But then there's other places that are now accepting it so and like now you've got Bitcoin, Berlin as well. And we went there, which was crazy, everywhere you can pay. And if they say, no, you walk straight out, and you know, you have to send them the signal that you need to start accepting it, because there's going to be more and more people that tell you, I'm not buying for me if you don't. 

Charlie MacKensie  
And Bitcoin Beach, we've come here every time. It's just amazing. You guys are doing such a good job. And we share some similar values and just being there, like puts the people Bitcoin in the mind of the locals. It normalizes it. And that's what the race team kind of does, because we put it in front of people multiple times. And then I just think this is something normal now. This is something that's going to exist, and it's all good. It's not so scary. It's not going to kill us. So yeah, I mean, my family would love to get, like a property here. And my mom fell in love with San Diego beach because of the sunset. So just you don't see anything like that. It's just another level.

Mike Peterson  
San Diego is amazing. But if you went back three or four years, that was a super dangerous place. So yeah, there's a lot of beautiful homes there that are just falling into disrepair because it was too dangerous to go there. But now you see these places, like coming back to life. There's a lot of hidden gems over there, the prices they're having, like those long days gotten crazy expensive. But San Diego's still quite reasonable, you know, beautiful beaches. And so I would tell her move now.

Charlie MacKensie  
I know, that's the thing. Yeah, you know, we didn't really mention the family story before. But we're in this funny position where, because of the implications of a 2008 crisis, we're getting to the point where we need to settle the mortgage finally. So there's a lot of conflicts and discussions in the house at the moment, like, do we want to sell some bitcoin to keep the house? Or do we want to sell the house and get a little bit out and buy somewhere smaller? Do we want to come to El Salvador? And that's kind of where we are figuring that out. But we'll, we'll figure out make that work, I think. But one day, you'll see us in El Salvador, for sure. And hopefully, it'd be your neighbor. And somewhere as amazing as this because you're living my dream right now.

Mike Peterson  
Well, hopefully you bring the race circuit here to El Salvador, I could see as El Salvador becomes more more a hub for them. And they're just hosting the Miss Universe contest this this week, you see more and more global interests. So I could see there being a race series here in El Salvador that draws a lot of attention. That's gonna be part of it.

Charlie MacKensie  
I would love to, and it definitely should, because it brings in millions of pounds, you know, transporters with half million pound cars in the back, rich team, principals, big sponsors, and it will just draw so much money here. And I think that would be a good focus for them.

Mike Peterson  
Yeah, and just international exposure to have the eyes of the world, you know, watching these races.

Charlie MacKensie  
That's a dream. We'd love to help them with that. They've got a nice circuit that was built by a NASCAR driver. It's just like, over 50 years old. So it's in a bit of disrepair, that the pavements are cracked up from the heat. But it's a great track. It's a really difficult track. It requires a lot of skill. And it could be an international standard. I think it's designed by someone who is a pro racing driver. So it's ready. You just need some money, I think. But you know, let's get a Bitcoin car on there one day when your ready.

Mike Peterson  
And the next bull cycle here, people to come in and fund those thing. So you feel like you've seen a difference though in El Salvador just since the first trip versus this trip?

Charlie MacKensie  
Well, it's always been a really nice experience. And I think everyone just gets the joy from seeing Bitcoin working and being used by cups of tea and coffee.

Mike Peterson  
They sell cups of tea.

Charlie MacKensie  
Probably not, actually. That's just my Englishness coming out. Yeah, I mean, the weird thing is I've never seen I always try and look lik, can I atleast see, like someone doing something even slightly suspicious on the side of the road, like, come on, it's gone from being the murder capital of the world, to me coming here four times and seeing nothing out of the ordinary or suspicious. And in England, you know, you'll be in London, you'll see someone being chased by the police. You'll see someone shifty behind the building, doing some transactions. Here, I've never seen anything. And I'm like, they've literally cleaned it up so well, that there's no, I've seen no crime at all. And I mean, maybe that's where I've been going. But I would say we've traveled a lot around this country, and we've driven a lot around. And you know, even on the side of the roads, when you drive past a poor area or something, I never see anything out of the ordinary.

Mike Peterson  
Yeah. I feel safer here than I do in the US at this point.

Charlie MacKensie  
I would agree. In London, you kind of don't know what's going to happen. And at the moment, they have like, because of the Israel conflicts, very high terrorists warnings, and that makes me worry about my brother and my girlfriend going into London every day, because ya know, what's gonna happen, but, you know, this country is peaceful, and it's not involved in conflicts. It's chosen freedom, money, and, you know, there's no need to worry about any safety anymore. Like, it's just the most incredible change ever.

Mike Peterson  
While I'm with all the craziness, like you mentioned going on, I'm thinking about the US elections that are coming up this next year. Like, I wouldn't want to be in the US, then let me and I think it's going to be a close election. And one side's gonna say that, you know, was there was fraud involved and I think it's, yeah, I wouldn't want to be there during that time. El Salvador, you've said, they're focused on building the new future. They're advancing, they just inaugurated the amazing new National Library, they, people are excited about the future, where in the rest of the world, I feel like people are dreading the future.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, I feel that at home in the UK. And it's not, it's not nice way to be because I always worried one day, I'm gonna have to escape this country. I feel that's at 26 years old, that is an absolute given that I'm going to need to escape. And they're putting things into practice. Like the IMF recently said, we've trialing a global central bank currency, which I do not like the sound of a tool. And we get involved in all the wars and we fund all the wars. We're a prime target, you know, for any conflicts country would want to take out the UK because we're funding all of this. And, you know, it doesn't feel like we're moving forwards. People are still violent, aggressive, in London. It's definitely going downhill, in my mind, especially being a Bitcoin fan. So, yeah, that's a chat we were having, like, we need to buy at least just a plot of land, you know, not necessarily have to spend hundreds of thousands on a nice beachfront, you just have a piece of land, we can put a tent on it, and then build something. But we need the plan B.

Mike Peterson  
You have a plan B?

Charlie MacKensie  
We've been talking about that a lot. So my parents feel the same. Please, like it's not gonna happen for two years, or three years, you know, it's not gonna get bad. But actually, you don't know when but you need to prepare before.

Mike Peterson  
Now if you wait till when it's too late.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly. And, you know, I know a lot of Bitcoiners in the UK, one of them is holding loads of food in his attic. He has a bitcoin miner up there as well, which is cool. And he was here looking at land, because for the same reason, like he feels he'll have to escape. Lots of them appear to be like preparing for doomsday. For us, like that was really weird, because we've always, when you're not thinking about how money works, how the systems work, you don't. You think everything's okay. And that's what we were like before. So like, you're filling your loft with pasture and soups. And you're preparing for Doomsday, and we're just living life normally what's going on?

Mike Peterson  
Well, I mean, that's the great thing here, though, is people are preparing for the future, but like a better future. And so they're not involved in any of those international conflicts, they've adopted freedom, money, things are getting better, not worse. And so it's a place you can come and still be, you know, making good decisions for the future but in a positive way, rather than hunkering down in a bunker somewhere.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly. And that's why like, I feel like I would be really a very depressed person if I knew everything about the world, but I didn't have that Bitcoin, to fall back on and knowing there's something that's really trying to improve the way things are and when people are against Bitcoin, he kind of upsets me because I know that they're supporting a world of absolute chaos and corruption. And they don't know that though. So we have to help them. And, yeah. But now I'm going to go out here after this and tell my parents, let's just put the bring the bring the plans forwards, it's just the best place. And I mean, you must see how much the tourism is going up, because you've been here for 20 years now which is just amazing.

Mike Peterson  
It's been crazy. Just in the last few years, yes, the influx, the the number of people from around the world that are moving here and making this home or buying a place with the, you know, as a plan B. And so it's, I was tell people don't wait too long, because it's a fairly small country. And there's a lot of people coming out a lot of Salvadorans who had left in the past are now returning. So it's definitely the place to be.

Charlie MacKensie  
Hundred percent. Yeah. Someone told me because I've been thinking at least, like maybe I could find a consortium of people to put like, you know, half a Bitcoin 10,000 pounds into a piece of land. But then there's the other thing. Should I be using this next two years to stack as much Bitcoin as I can? Because it feels like the bull market is kind of returning. I hope so. Because it's been an interesting two years where I've had to kind of prevent my dad from panic selling and tell him to calm down. Because actually, he, as we said, he's 72, and you're much more risk averse, when you're that age. Right? So he's done some funny, questionable things. But really, we've been able to keep it on the straight and narrow, and the balance is safe.

Mike Peterson  
Well, he's probably feeling a little better now than he was six months ago. Yeah, no, I understand that that hesitancy the by now because people think but I think there's a lot of people thinking that same thing. So I think the property market here is gonna go crazy along with Bitcoin.

Charlie MacKensie  
I agree. They'll go up in the correlation.

Mike Peterson  
Yeah. So if you can find the place that will allow you to buy and make payments, you know, pay them off over the next two years, that would be the best scenario, then you lock it in, at a price. And but you can still let it run up a little bit.

Charlie MacKensie  
So let's go talk to my mom and dad.

Mike Peterson  
I think that's a good note to wrap up on. But let's make sure people know how to get a hold of you, how they can sponsor the race team, or just talk to you about the opportunities there. If they want to come drive with you guys for a season. I think you might find takers on that. I hope if I live closer, I would sure be on that.

Charlie MacKensie  
Well, yeah, I just want to say, thank you so much for your kindness. And it actually means so much to us as the family team, you know, we didn't have a big platform to launch off of when we started. And it's been a journey of lots of lessons and lots of hard moments, but so like someone like you, just being this kind and supportive is just, I can't even describe to you how nice it feels. So we thank you for my family very much. And this is awesome. You like it's such an amazing job you've done with the beach and the studio. And it's only going to get better as you told me so. 

Charlie MacKensie  
But yeah, to finish, we can be found on twitter with bitcoin_racing. You send me an email charlie@bitcoinracing.info. You can also find out more about becoming a driver with us for a full year, we'll teach you how to race, we'll do loads of practice sessions before the season starts. We'll get you a very nice Bitcoin racing suit. The guys do look very handsome in those. And we also have a scholarship that we're going to do so it's going to be three rounds 50 participants, and there'll be a go kart challenge, a sim challenge and then the chance to race and see one and the best driver who will hopefully be from a disadvantaged background it couldn't do this otherwise, we'll win a fully funded seat to race. So that's something we're excited about. And then, over 50 applicants so far, they're all from the normie world it's not in Bitcoin as a tool. So we're going to build into the scholarship as well and orange pill session. Yeah, but send an email, Twitter, we've got Instagram and all the other stuff. New website coming soon. If you want to support us, just come and follow us give us a like by a cap and just say a nice comment and it all goes much further than people realize and gives us motivation so thank you.

Mike Peterson  
Well for the Bitcoin companies out there make sure you lock in real estate on the car. Because once Bitcoin starts moving, you know it might be too late. So reach out sponsor this amazing effort that they're doing.

Charlie MacKensie  
I think it'd be good to to finish on just saying that we've got we do have five partners, some small somebody who guys a fund Nexus Point which is actually not a Bitcoin company but has a Bitcoin C.E.O., Bitcoin Beach, one of the coolest ones, I was so excited when that happened, I was blown away when that happened. Do you know when you're just buzzing off adrenaline, what you did to me for the day. And we also have bitcoin trading cards, and we think that we're coming up with quite a cool collaboration with them. And that that should be good enough to keep the car running for the year. So we're very excited about that one. So guys, upon nexus point, Bitcoin beach, and green mining Del Sol, some mining company in Paraguay who said they wanted to get involved at the conference. So that was worthwhile coming. So yeah, that's it. Thank you so much.

Mike Peterson  
Yeah, well, we need to get some more sponsors on that roster. So next time we have you on the podcast we can talk about.

Charlie MacKensie  
Exactly, thank you so much.

Mike Peterson  
WelI, I appreciate you coming down here and we need to get out on the track.

Charlie MacKensie  
You sound like he would be a keen racing driver that might be very good.

Mike Peterson  
I don't have a health, I sometimes I'm a little more aggressive than my ability. So maybe paying for some repairs afterwards. I'd like to push it to limit.

Charlie MacKensie  
Well, if you are in the UK. We're actually going to Bedford autodrome there's a tracking bed healthcare, Peter, on the ninth of December. And that day, we're inviting anyone who wants to come and have a go at Chris will chew to them. So if you're thinking about it, do you want to do a racing career? Do you want to race for a whole year we'll come and have a test and see what you think. And I'd love to invite you to a day like that.

Mike Peterson  
So it's the ninth of December.

Charlie MacKensie  
So are you coming? Do you ever come back to the Western world?

Mike Peterson  
I was just over in Switzerland for the conference. But next time I'll have to make sure I can get a layover in London. And good little dry.

Charlie MacKensie  
Yeah, let us know whenever. We will even give you a nice room to stay in as well when you come down.

Mike Peterson  
Alright, well, thanks, Charlie. Appreciate you coming down and we're looking forward to following your guys story.

Charlie MacKensie  
Me, too. Thank you so much.